Session Start: Thu Feb 04 00:00:00 2010
Session Ident: #glitchpc
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[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here.'
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[01:38] <guest_055> g' morning guys!
[01:38] <@BC_Programming> greetings...
[01:38] <guest_055> does anyone knows c++ well?
[01:38] <@BC_Programming> I know some
[01:38] <guest_055> if u can hepl me
[01:38] <@BC_Programming> I can try to help :)
[01:39] <guest_055> i want to parse pdf files
[01:39] <guest_055> and exactly text
[01:39] <@BC_Programming> oh
[01:39] <guest_055> and i search online a lot
[01:39] <guest_055> but difficult to find
[01:39] <@BC_Programming> does it have to be C++?
[01:39] <guest_055> yeap, is the language i work :)
[01:40] <@BC_Programming> there are probably libraries written for it... lemme see
[01:40] <guest_055> yes and i want to refer
[01:40] <guest_055> that i have problems parsing the font of the letters
[01:40] <guest_055> this breaks my head now :)
[01:42] <@BC_Programming> well I found this
[01:42] <@BC_Programming> http://pdfedit.petricek.net/en/index.html
[01:49] <guest_055> is nice and thank u....just is not in c++ :(
[01:51] <@BC_Programming> it's c++...
[01:51] <@BC_Programming> http://pdfedit.petricek.net/en/user_doc.html#general_part
[01:55] <guest_055> :)
[01:56] <@BC_Programming> Not sure how you'd integrate it into your own projects, but I imagine being the right programming language is an important first step, heh.
[01:58] <guest_055> u are very nice that u help me and i really appreciate it, is not my personal choice to use c++, is sth i have to do :)
[01:59] <@BC_Programming> I wasn't saying anything against C++... just that it would certainly be hard to use a PDF library for, say, python, or something
[01:59] <@BC_Programming> well, more like, impossible
[02:00] <Craig> HAHAHAHAHAH
[02:00] <@BC_Programming> ok craig, seriously stop looking in the mirror, heh
[02:00] <Craig> what.... ?
[02:01] <@BC_Programming> you saw something funny
[02:01] <guest_055> i know that, but for us as we say, nothing is possible :)
[02:01] <@BC_Programming> must have looked in the mirror, heh
[02:01] <guest_055> *impossible
[02:01] <Craig> Python and impossible in the same explanation
[02:01] <@BC_Programming> well... optimism is one thing, but I really don't think you'll ever get a C++ compiler to compile python code
[02:01] <Craig> hahahaha,
[02:01] <Craig> nope
[02:01] <Craig> brb
[02:02] <@BC_Programming> it's more... the "seemingly" impossible that really is possible when you put your mind to it.
[03:08] <guest_055> BC
[03:09] <guest_055> may i ask you
[03:09] <@BC_Programming> yeah
[03:09] <guest_055> u know about c++ right?
[03:10] <@BC_Programming> yes.
[03:10] <guest_055> when i call a function from a function
[03:10] <guest_055> the second functiopn can return a value if the first-parent function is void type?
[03:11] <@BC_Programming> functions are completely devoid of context
[03:11] <@BC_Programming> if you call a function.... it's a function
[03:11] <@BC_Programming> a function can always return a value
[03:12] <guest_055> yes but
[03:12] <guest_055> if the value is returned as nested let s say
[03:12] <guest_055> ok
[03:12] <guest_055> i will tell u an example
[03:13] <guest_055> we have void function(a) {function_2()}
[03:13] <guest_055> and float function_2 {return (float)}
[03:13] <guest_055> it will return the value?
[03:13] <@BC_Programming> function_2 will return a value to function but function won't use it
[03:14] <@BC_Programming> function itself will never return a value
[03:15] <guest_055> so if i want to print sth
[03:15] <guest_055> i will never take it cause function is void?
[03:15] <@BC_Programming> if yo uwant to print sth? what do you mean there?
[03:16] <guest_055> i mean i want to have an output
[03:16] <@BC_Programming> wait... are you talking about something like printf("%d",function())?
[03:16] <@BC_Programming> that is, calling a function and printing it's output?
[03:16] <guest_055> yeap
[03:17] <@BC_Programming> you can do that
[03:17] <guest_055> yes but let s suppose that this function is called through a void one
[03:17] <guest_055> is ok ?
[03:17] <@BC_Programming> "through a void one" through a void what?
[03:17] <@BC_Programming> you mean within a void function?
[03:18] <@BC_Programming> the main() function can be defined as void.... the return type of a function has absolutely no bearing on what functions you can call within it
[03:18] <@BC_Programming> it only changes what, if anything, the function returns
[03:19] <@BC_Programming> additionally, you cannot print the output of a function whose return value is void because the function has no output.
[03:20] <guest_055> let me see if it works :)
[04:01] <Craig> BC I didnt know you were giving lessons?
[04:01] <@BC_Programming> heh
[04:01] <@BC_Programming> I didn't know I knew that much about C/C++
[04:02] <Craig> Hahahah, you never know till you have to think on a problem,
[04:02] <Craig> I know lots of things that I cant think of till I need the experience
[04:02] <@BC_Programming> heh, I found an old class I wrote about 5 years ago
[04:02] <@BC_Programming> and was able to use it without any changes
[04:02] <Craig> Nice,
[04:02] <@BC_Programming> that was a first
[04:02] <Craig> Cool,
[04:03] <@BC_Programming> then I posted it to my forum... then I made a long blog entry about it
[04:03] <Craig> I have a Learn C++ book that states I can learn in 30 days, I bought it several months back... :P
[04:03] <Craig> Nice
[04:03] <@BC_Programming> yeah those teach yourself <blank> in <time> are pretty silly
[04:03] <Craig> Still havent gotten past the first five lessons.
[04:03] <Craig> Oh, I think its correct,
[04:04] <Craig> I think the problem is inititive... :p
[04:04] <@BC_Programming> what I mean is, you can't really define a point where you "know" a language
[04:04] <Craig> hahahah
[04:04] <Craig> Thats true,
[04:04] <@BC_Programming> it's very fuzzy
[04:04] <Craig> Though C++ hasnt changed much since 2000
[04:04] <Craig> So it would be more possible then say Python,
[04:04] <Craig> or CSS
[04:05] <@BC_Programming> well I don't really mean language changes... VB6 hasn't changed since 1998
[04:05] <Craig> yeah,
[04:05] <@BC_Programming> and there are still things I wouldn't be able to do in it without research
[04:05] <@BC_Programming> mostly it's DHTML and web-based stuff
[04:05] <Craig> Very true
[04:05] <@BC_Programming> so, being able to write a fun game draws on different skills then writing a database driven application type thing
[04:06] <Craig> I would love to be able to plug in and learn C++ and C inside and out, oh and Japenese
[04:06] <@BC_Programming> lol
[04:06] <Craig> :)
[04:06] <@BC_Programming> what's the difference?
[04:06] <Craig> C and C++?
[04:06] <@BC_Programming> no
[04:06] <@BC_Programming> C++ and japanese
[04:06] <@BC_Programming> heh
[04:06] <Craig> HAHAHAHAHA
[04:06] <Craig> Uhh, C++ is writtin in English. :P
[04:07] <@BC_Programming> nonsense, I've never written my sentences with curly brackets
[04:07] <Craig> Course you could write Japenese in Romanji
[04:07] <@BC_Programming> I guess we must end our sentences with semicolons;
[04:07] <@BC_Programming> heh
[04:07] <Craig> heh
[04:13] <Craig> great... now you got me installing Code::Blocks
[04:16] <@BC_Programming> what's that? the thing that came with the book?
[04:16] <Craig> No is an OSS program that I use for programming
[04:16] <@BC_Programming> oh ok
[04:16] <@BC_Programming> I use... Well, the IDEs I already have... Visual Basic 6, Visual Studio 2008, Delphi Codegear, and whatnot
[04:17] <@BC_Programming> and for those script languages I don't have an IDE for
[04:17] <@BC_Programming> I have editpad pro
[04:17] <@BC_Programming> oh yeah and I got eclipse for java as well
[04:18] <Craig> hahaha, All my other coding is done in Notepad++ hahahha
[04:18] <@BC_Programming> I used to have notepad++
[04:18] <@BC_Programming> bit it kinda blows for FTP
[04:18] <Craig> I really only use Code::Blocks for compiling
[04:19] <@BC_Programming> editpad has a very slick FTP interface
[04:19] <@BC_Programming> why not just install the compilers, and hook notepad++ up to them?
[04:19] <@BC_Programming> I've seen that done before
[04:19] <Craig> Didnt know you could, for me its just colorful...
[04:19] <@BC_Programming> heh
[04:20] <@BC_Programming> I'm sure it's in the options somewhere, to have specific tools or something
[04:20] <Craig> I paused TV, and the screen I see only has the word "SEX" on it... hahahah
[04:20] <@BC_Programming> heehee
[04:20] <Craig> Nothing else, just black screen and that word
[04:21] <Craig> I wanna work for Google....
[04:22] <@BC_Programming> we went from black screen with the words "sex" on it to google... are these related somehow, heh
[04:22] <Craig> Hahahaha
[04:22] <Craig> no, but that would be ironic
[04:22] <Craig> How is Sex Plural?
[04:22] <@BC_Programming> it has no plural
[04:23] <@BC_Programming> plurals are for nouns
[04:23] <@BC_Programming> like possum's
[04:23] <Craig> sex's <- plural for many of one species sex
[04:23] <@BC_Programming> oh yeah
[04:23] <@BC_Programming> true
[04:23] <Craig> haha
[04:23] <Craig> What I mean is, There was only the word Sex, not words sec
[04:23] <Craig> sex*
[04:31] <Craig> Course, I think I spelled Sexs wrong, I dont think there is an appostrophy
[04:31] <@BC_Programming> no I think there is
[04:31] <@BC_Programming> depends on the word
[04:31] <@BC_Programming> or maybe it's sexes?
[04:31] <Craig> hmmm, meh, thats why I failed Engish twice,... :p
[04:31] <@BC_Programming> I think it's sexes
[04:31] <Craig> Yeah Sexes! thats it.
[04:31] <Craig> I think...?
[04:32] <@BC_Programming> looks familar
[04:32] <Craig> Google apparently recognizes both forms
[04:32] <Craig> ... :S
[04:32] <@BC_Programming> familiar*
[04:32] <@BC_Programming> yeah well google also recognizes "cleveland steamer" and you won't find that in Websters.
[04:33] <Craig> What the heck is that/
[04:33] <@BC_Programming> you don't wanna know
[04:33] <Craig> hahaha ok
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[05:33] <guest_055> ?
[05:35] <@BC_Programming> Guest_055, your query, "?" has matched the following records: "A","B","C","D","E","F","G","H","I","J","K","L","M","N","O","P","Q","R","S","T","U","V","W","X","Y","Z".
[05:35] <@BC_Programming> also "POSSUM"
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[07:41] <guest_055> :)
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[08:51] <Mulreay> Hi jacky
[08:52] <@jacky> hello
[08:52] <@jacky> something came up
[08:52] <@jacky> brb
[08:52] <@jacky> got your memos...
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[09:17] <Mulreay> wb
[09:19] <Mulreay> Let me know if you have a spare few mins to look at something for me please jacky
[09:19] <@jacky> actually, I was channel hopping, looking for you
[09:19] <@jacky> hehe
[09:19] <@jacky> sorry.. .just as I came on, a bit ago,
[09:19] <@jacky> somebody drove up
[09:20] <@jacky> then... they got stuck
[09:20] <@jacky> sigh
[09:20] <Mulreay> heh
[09:20] <@jacky> I d/l'd alice
[09:20] <@jacky> I've never seen anything like that before
[09:20] <@jacky> you think it is running something that is somewhere else maybe?
[09:20] <Mulreay> no sure..
[09:21] <Mulreay> I'm trying this new script instead as it seems more like what I wanted.. but stuck
[09:21] <@jacky> well.. I'm glad it seems to be something more like hwat you wanted
[09:21] <Mulreay> yeah thanks for finding it
[09:21] <@jacky> I just stumbled over it, and thought I'd pass along the link and let you read
[09:21] <@jacky> more on how I found it, later
[09:22] <@jacky> which script is it?
[09:22] <Mulreay> heh
[09:22] <Mulreay> It's egg-fu_2.0.0
[09:22] <@jacky> I've heard of it, but never looked at it
[09:22] <Mulreay> sorry 2.0.2
[09:22] <@jacky> can I grab a copy there?
[09:22] <@jacky> brb
[09:22] <Mulreay> ok
[09:23] <@jacky> 2.0.2, right?
[09:23] <Mulreay> yeah
[09:23] <@jacky> hmph
[09:23] <@jacky> link took me to egghelp
[09:23] <@jacky> looking
[09:23] <Mulreay> yeah sorry it does.. you have to search for it
[09:24] <@jacky> heh
[09:24] <@jacky> brb... looking
[09:24] <Mulreay> ok
[09:25] <@jacky> what is it... in the tcl archives?
[09:25] <Mulreay> yeah if you search for egg fu it's about 6-7 scripts down
[09:25] <@jacky> got it, I think
[09:26] <@jacky> when I open it, what am I looking for?
[09:26] <Mulreay> brain.txt
[09:26] <Mulreay> Near the top
[09:27] <@jacky> lost me
[09:27] <@jacky> I see four files in it
[09:27] <@jacky> brain.txt is not one of them
[09:27] <@jacky> in script?
[09:27] <Mulreay> OK in the script it needs to save all the text to a file called brain.txt I think this is why dangerbot won't load it..
[09:27] <@jacky> here?:
[09:27] <@jacky> # Location of your word file
[09:27] <@jacky> set wordfile "brain.txt"
[09:27] <Mulreay> yeah that's the one
[09:28] <@jacky> ok.. just got there
[09:28] <@jacky> what's the symptom?
[09:28] <@jacky> what are you having to happen?
[09:28] <Mulreay> sorry thought you were in the script
[09:28] <@jacky> np
[09:28] <@jacky> is bot crashing upon trying to load the script?
[09:28] <Mulreay> I'll post the error
[09:28] <@jacky> or...
[09:28] <Mulreay> May get kicked for this
[09:29] <Mulreay> [16:12] couldn't create error file for command: no such file or directory
[09:29] <Mulreay> while executing
[09:29] <Mulreay> "exec date +%m/%d/%Y@%H:%M"
[09:29] <Mulreay> invoked from within
[09:29] <Mulreay> "if {![file exists birth_certificate.egg]} {
[09:29] <Mulreay> set coin [rand 10]
[09:29] <Mulreay> if {$coin>=5} {set sex boy} {set sex girl}
[09:29] <Mulreay> putlog "\002IT'S A [string toupper $sex]!..."
[09:29] <Mulreay> (file "scripts/egg-fu_2.0.2.tcl" line 911)
[09:29] <Mulreay> invoked from within
[09:29] <Mulreay> "source scripts/egg-fu_2.0.2.tcl"
[09:29] <Mulreay> (file "eggdrop.conf" line 1416)
[09:29] <Mulreay> [16:12] * CONFIG FILE NOT LOADED (NOT FOUND, OR ERROR)
[09:29] <Mulreay> Yeah just not loading..
[09:29] <@jacky> I think you are going to have lots of trouble
[09:29] <Mulreay> ok
[09:29] <@jacky> see that command "exec date .... "
[09:29] <Mulreay> yeah
[09:29] <@jacky> that, I think, is a linux command
[09:30] <Mulreay> ahh ok
[09:30] <@jacky> so, I'm thinking, even if we figure out what dir is missing, whatever it is complaining about not being able to find
[09:30] <@jacky> and create it
[09:30] <@jacky> it might still bomb out, when it tries to run
[09:30] <Mulreay> ok
[09:30] <@jacky> let's review the docs a few minutes though
[09:30] <@jacky> brb
[09:30] <Mulreay> ok
[09:35] <@jacky> Mulreay: I just am not sure.
[09:35] <@jacky> this would take more time
[09:35] <Mulreay> np
[09:35] <@jacky> or asking, on the egghelp forum
[09:35] <@jacky> sorry
[09:35] <Mulreay> Yeah will give it a shot on there
[09:35] <Mulreay> Np thanks for looking
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[12:33] <@jacky> Good afternoon(evening)
[12:33] <@jacky> :)
[12:34] <@Calum> good evening (afternoon)
[12:34] <@jacky> home from a hard day of putting out fires? ... err, building computers?
[12:34] <@Calum> hehe
[12:34] <@Calum> been a crazy week, very busy
[12:34] <@Calum> and some horrible customers and builds
[12:35] <@jacky> good busy? or bad busy?
[12:35] <@jacky> what makes a horrible build?
[12:35] <@jacky> the customers, I can take guesses at
[12:35] <@jacky> getting tea.. brb
[12:35] <@Calum> a horrible build would be a nasty case, that isn't made properly....or a high end build in a small cheap case....or a fiddly build with awkward components....things like that
[12:36] <@Calum> bad busy, as one person got moved to another dept and another is off on holiday, so we've only had 2 builders all week
[12:36] <@jacky> Ah... new tech term that I need to look up: "fiddly"
[12:36] <@jacky> heheh
[12:36] <@Calum> heh
[12:37] <@jacky> well.. if you are not asked to work faster, then the number of builders shouldn't matter to you
[12:37] <@jacky> that is a management problem
[12:37] <@jacky> dealing with late orders
[12:37] <@Calum> we get trouble from higher up for not producing enough builds
[12:37] <@Calum> it is a management issue, the owner of the company to be exact
[12:37] <@jacky> wait..
[12:38] <@jacky> are you "not producing enough" meaning not what they feel you should?
[12:38] <@jacky> I doubt that
[12:38] <@jacky> it is probably not producing enough, to meet the orders
[12:38] <@jacky> and... taht ain't your fault
[12:38] <@Calum> yeah
[12:38] <@jacky> some jerks might try to blame it on you
[12:38] <@jacky> do they?
[12:38] <@Calum> yeah, the owner
[12:38] <@jacky> that is the defining thing, about jerks
[12:38] <@jacky> :)
[12:38] <@jacky> been there... I know how you feel
[12:38] <@Calum> heh
[12:39] <@jacky> is the owner a jerk?
[12:39] <@jacky> you can say what you like to me, as it doesn't matter
[12:39] <@jacky> and can't get back to them....
[12:39] <@Calum> I've never spoken to him personally so I can't really comment
[12:39] <@jacky> oh.. ok
[12:39] <@jacky> from your previous, it seemed like he was right there, with you all
[12:39] <@Calum> no, he talks to my manager and other managers etc every day though
[12:40] <@jacky> phone?
[12:40] <@jacky> or is he there?
[12:40] <@Calum> he lives in Switzerland. He uses voip and instant messenger
[12:40] <@jacky> tough life... sigh
[12:40] <@Calum> heh
[12:41] <@jacky> how many people... estimate... work where you work?
[12:41] <@Calum> in my dept?
[12:41] <@jacky> that too
[12:41] <@jacky> then, total
[12:41] <@Calum> total in the company, 40 or so. my dept, 4 and one part time 2 days a week
[12:42] <@jacky> that's a good sized place
[12:42] <@Calum> currently one is off though, so 2 and 1 manager at the minute
[12:42] <@jacky> payroll is a big nut to crack
[12:42] <@jacky> cracks me up, when two people need to be managed
[12:42] <@jacky> heeh
[12:42] <@Calum> heh
[12:42] <@jacky> what is the rest of the staff doing?
[12:42] <@jacky> the other 35 or so?
[12:42] <@Calum> it's not just managing us thiugh, he has other roles too
[12:43] <@Calum> there's a department for testing parts and returning to suppliers
[12:43] <@Calum> purchasing department
[12:43] <@Calum> warehouse staff
[12:43] <@Calum> technical support, who do what we do on the phone but for individual parts
[12:43] <@Calum> sales
[12:43] <@jacky> the only thing this company does, is sells computers that it assembles?
[12:43] <@Calum> and parts
[12:43] <@jacky> components?
[12:43] <@Calum> yes
[12:43] <@jacky> like newegg does?
[12:43] <@Calum> yep
[12:44] <@jacky> cool
[12:44] <@jacky> do you get a super good price?
[12:45] <@Calum> as far as I know, yes. Our head of purchasing has an amazing business relationship with most major hardware manufacturers, so we get more stock allocated than anywhere else in the UK :)
[12:45] <@jacky> BUY!
[12:45] <@jacky> BUY!
[12:45] <@jacky> NEED MORE JUNK!!!
[12:45] <@jacky> NEED MORE JUNK!!!
[12:45] <@jacky> hehehe
[12:45] <@Calum> I am doing, as soon as possible
[12:46] <@jacky> seriously... what are you going to be getting?
[12:46] <@Calum> trying to refrain from going overboard, "wading in" as we call it at work
[12:46] <@Calum> the guy who's off this week, is rebuilding his machine., I'm picking up his board, CPU and RAM
[12:46] <@jacky> Used stuff!!???
[12:46] <@Calum> it's nothing huge, decent upgfrade from what I have but the same platform
[12:46] <@jacky> when you got the inside track on new stuff???
[12:46] <@Calum> used = cheap and I know it all works
[12:46] <@jacky> hehe
[12:46] <@Calum> new = expensive
[12:46] <@jacky> define: same platform
[12:46] <@Calum> same CPU socket
[12:46] <@Calum> same RAM type
[12:46] <@Calum> same chipset
[12:46] <@jacky> expensive??? you get the "good guy works here" price!
[12:47] <@jacky> ok on platform
[12:47] <@jacky> tnx
[12:47] <@Calum> yeah but it's still more than I want to pay, esopecially when I don't need to upgrade
[12:47] <@jacky> smart man "don't need to upgrade"
[12:47] <@Calum> I'm only nuying the stuff because he'll give me an awsome price on it
[12:47] <@Calum> *buying
[12:47] <@jacky> otherwise... I bet you squeek when you walk
[12:47] <@jacky> heheeh
[12:47] <@Calum> haha
[12:47] <@jacky> that's tight
[12:47] <@jacky> heh
[12:47] <@Calum> actually....I was looking for ways to waste some money just the other night
[12:47] <@Calum> but then I remembered
[12:48] <@jacky> a friend of mine.. his father's friends actually addressed him as Squeeky, somtimes.
[12:48] <@Calum> next weekend, it';s my mum's 50th, and valentine's day. Great way to waste cash right there :)
[12:48] <@Calum> hah
[12:48] <@jacky> this girl... she lives like a hundred miles away, right?
[12:48] <@Calum> yeah
[12:48] <@jacky> that makes it difficult
[12:48] <@Calum> she;s coming up for the weekend
[12:48] <@jacky> wishing you luck
[12:49] <@jacky> to your home?
[12:49] <@Calum> I get paid Friday, which is my mum's bday, then work saturday and she's arriving saturday night, staying to sunday...got to splash some cash hehe
[12:49] <@Calum> yep
[12:49] <@jacky> your parents already know her?
[12:50] <@Calum> yeah, they met her last time she came up and stayed 2 nights
[12:50] <@jacky> her father doesn't mind?
[12:50] <@jacky> you could be shot....
[12:50] <@jacky> hehehee
[12:50] <@Calum> haha
[12:51] <@jacky> oh.. hey.. change of topic
[12:51] <@jacky> !seen street1
[12:51] <@jacky> haven't seen him
[12:51] <@jacky> thought it was longer than that
[12:51] <@jacky> have you seen him?
[12:51] <@Calum> I haven't spoken to him for a few days
[12:51] <@jacky> just checking....
[12:51] <@jacky> ok
[12:51] <@Calum> couldn't tell you exactly when without checking logs
[12:51] <@jacky> nah
[12:51] <@jacky> just wondering
[12:52] <@Calum> ok
[12:55] <@Calum> oh, meant to tell you, you may find this funny
[12:56] <@Calum> apparently the next "thing" at work is we're all going to get our systems ready and post pics and a build log on our forums, basically "OCUK Tech team builds"
[12:56] <@Calum> I'm every so slightly out of place there......
[12:56] <@Calum> *ever, can't type tonight heh
[12:57] <@jacky> your own personal systems?
[12:57] <@Calum> yep
[12:57] <@jacky> why are you out of place?
[12:57] <@Calum> they all have theirs up already but the idea is to consolidate it all in one thread
[12:57] <@Calum> because my hardware, compared to everyone else's, is prehistoric
[12:57] <@Calum> and ghetto mods abound in my case
[12:57] <@jacky> ah
[12:57] <@jacky> hehehe
[12:58] <@jacky> oh.. is there a link for your forum?
[12:58] <@jacky> would it be out of place, to put in Chanbot?
[12:58] <@Calum> http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/
[12:58] <@Calum> not at all, if you'd like to
[12:58] <@jacky> do you frequent there?
[12:58] <@Calum> I have a profile, but no posts yet
[12:58] <@jacky> ok
[12:58] <@jacky> give me some wording
[12:58] <@Calum> I visit, and check out some things fairly often
[12:58] <@Calum> I dunno heh
[12:59] <@jacky> !say *for*
[12:59] <@jacky> !say forum
[12:59] <@jacky> hmph
[12:59] <@jacky> give me some description, of what it is
[12:59] <@jacky> what *is* overclockers?
[12:59] <@Calum> a UK-based computer hardware forum...would that do?
[12:59] <@jacky> sure
[12:59] <@jacky> now to remember the commands
[12:59] <@jacky> hehe
[13:00] <@Calum> well, it's not just hardware, but that's what people primarily visit there for
[13:00] <@jacky> !helpsay
[13:00] <@Calum> hehe
[13:00] <@jacky> !sayhelp
[13:00] <@jacky> !rats ?
[13:00] <@jacky> heheeh
[13:00] <@jacky> brb
[13:00] <@Calum> heh
[13:00] <@jacky> hey! aren't YOU an owner in this bot too?
[13:00] <@jacky> you should know the danged commands!!!
[13:00] <@jacky> heheehe
[13:00] <@jacky> brb
[13:00] <@Calum> hah
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[13:01] <@jacky> wow.. country unheard from for days
[13:01] <@jacky> heheeh
[13:01] <camerongray> lol
[13:01] * camerongray was busy
[13:01] <camerongray> I had to revise for a math exam
[13:02] <@jacky> !helpgl
[13:02] <@Calum> hah...good to see you again cameron
[13:02] <@jacky> ^^^^ try that, in a minute, Calum
[13:03] <camerongray> thanks Calum
[13:03] <@jacky> !addgl overclockers UK-based computer hardware forum : http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/
[13:03] <@Calum> !helpgl
[13:03] <@jacky> !say *clock*
[13:04] <@jacky> Calum: did you get owner instuctions, or user?
[13:04] <@jacky> can you add and rem?
[13:04] <@jacky> !say overclockers
[13:04] <@Calum> hah let me check again
[13:04] <@Calum> !helpgl
[13:04] <@jacky> !add UK-based computer hardware forum : http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/
[13:04] <@Calum> user
[13:04] <@jacky> interesting
[13:05] <@jacky> Calum: try again, please
[13:05] <@Calum> !helpgl
[13:05] <@Calum> owner this time
[13:06] <@jacky> oddball flag
[13:06] <@jacky> some hack, <ahem> probably altered the script
[13:06] <@Calum> heh
[13:09] <@BC_Programming> !CMD Format C:
[13:09] <@BC_Programming> heh
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[13:46] <camerongray> Hey Mulreay
[13:46] <Mulreay> HI camerongray
[13:46] <@BC_Programming> hey anybody see my latest blog post?
[13:47] <camerongray> nope - looking
[13:47] <@BC_Programming> heh
[13:47] <@BC_Programming> nothing like examples in Excel 5.0 and word 6
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[14:04] <@jacky> be back later
[14:05] <@jacky> and, Hello BC
[14:05] <@jacky> :)
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[14:05] <Craig> Boo!
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[14:05] <@BC_Programming> you scared mulreay away
[14:05] <Craig> Hahhaha, I saw that
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[14:12] <Mulreay> I'm playing that time old game of 'getting the file to download' I really want to watch this film tonight so expect me to be playing the hokey cokey... in out, in out he messes the ports about..
[14:13] <Craig> hahaha
[14:13] <Craig> sounds like quite the battle for you,
[14:13] <Mulreay> yeah always is... I'm at 92.1%
[14:14] <Craig> What movie?
[14:14] <Mulreay> Paranormal activity..
[14:14] <Craig> Hmmm, sorry dont have the SD or HD version
[14:15] <Mulreay> Been fighting with my internet all day... not eaten yet... it's 21:15pm
[14:15] <Craig> You fight with your internet every day though?
[14:15] <Mulreay> Oh yes
[14:16] <Mulreay> Everday is a challenge..
[14:16] <Mulreay> everyday
[14:16] <Mulreay> that
[14:16] <Mulreay> was
[14:16] <Mulreay> heh
[14:16] <Craig> heh
[14:16] <Mulreay> Sorry forgot where my space button was... blood sugar must be low
[14:17] <Craig> :P
[14:17] <@BC_Programming> hmm
[14:17] <@BC_Programming> I just spent the last 15 minutes trying to find where this bloody activeX control BCSearch was using so I could set binary compatibility on the new one...
[14:17] <Mulreay> I think another 3 re-connections and it will be finished... but I have to cook dinner between that
[14:17] <@BC_Programming> couldn't find it anywhere
[14:18] <@BC_Programming> went in my main project folder, did a dir /s /b | find /i "cmdbar"
[14:18] <@BC_Programming> got a few files... but not the OCX file
[14:18] <@BC_Programming> and yet the project shows explicitly that it's there
[14:18] <Craig> Ocx?\
[14:18] <@BC_Programming> then I realized it was on another drive
[14:18] <@BC_Programming> heh
[14:18] <@BC_Programming> OCX= ActiveX control
[14:18] <Craig> oh
[14:20] <Mulreay> Oh my word, I could hand write this film faster...
[14:20] <@BC_Programming> heh
[14:24] <Mulreay> Ohh it's picking up speed... maybe it heard me..
[14:24] <@BC_Programming> doubt it
[14:24] <@BC_Programming> it's probably teasing you
[14:25] <Mulreay> Yeah but it's nice to think everything happens for a reason
[14:25] <Mulreay> I bet you jinx it heh
[14:28] <@BC_Programming> omg rofl
[14:28] <Craig> Great... I need a CD to install windows on this one tower...
[14:28] <@BC_Programming> I did something so ridiculous
[14:28] <Craig> hahah, simply cause I dont want to shut down any other of my computers.
[14:29] <@BC_Programming> wait why would you need to shut down one of your other computers?
[14:29] <Mulreay> Not sure who to answer first..
[14:29] <Craig> To take out a drive and put it in the tower I want to reinstall
[14:29] <Craig> So that I have a DVD drive and not a CD drive
[14:29] <@BC_Programming> ahh
[14:29] <@BC_Programming> I see
[14:30] <@BC_Programming> you have your windows OS's burned to DVD
[14:30] <Mulreay> brb
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[14:30] <Craig> Hahahah, its runnin Ubuntu,
[14:30] <Craig> its one of the towers that dont like my Slipstream CD's
[14:31] <Craig> My slipstream DVDs are not small enough for CD's
[14:31] <@BC_Programming> anyway, you know how BCSearch has OfficeXP style menus?
[14:32] <Craig> nope
[14:32] <@BC_Programming> well
[14:32] <@BC_Programming> it does
[14:32] <@BC_Programming> heh
[14:32] <Craig> hahaha
[14:32] <@BC_Programming> anyway that's totally customizable
[14:32] <Craig> Nice
[14:32] <@BC_Programming> I just wrote a little segment in the demo program for the control
[14:32] <Craig> Cool,
[14:32] <@BC_Programming> that makes the menus look like windows 3.1
[14:32] <@BC_Programming> lol
[14:32] <Craig> Hahahah
[14:32] <Craig> why?
[14:32] <@BC_Programming> because it's funny
[14:32] <Craig> I see, :P
[14:32] <@BC_Programming> I'm gonna make it a new theme
[14:33] <@BC_Programming> it will have, comctl32, officeXP, office 2003, and MSmoney like it does now
[14:33] <Craig> :P
[14:33] <@BC_Programming> as well as "retro"
[14:33] <@BC_Programming> heh
[14:34] <Craig> I wish I could convert an ISO directly to a MKV
[14:34] <@BC_Programming> what's a mkv?
[14:34] <Craig> Stupid proprietary setup...
[14:34] <Craig> A video holder
[14:34] <Craig> like AVI
[14:34] <Craig> but not
[14:34] <@BC_Programming> oh
[14:35] <Craig> It can take a 5GB 1080p AVI down to like 600 MB and not loose any real video quality
[14:35] <Craig> (Theoretically. not an actual case)
[15:32] <Craig> Hey BC My first Program...
[15:32] <Craig> :P
[15:32] <@BC_Programming> cool
[15:32] <Craig> Its so basic, its fast!
[15:33] <@BC_Programming> yay
[15:33] <Craig> :P
[15:33] <@BC_Programming> void main() { printf("hello world!");}
[15:33] <Craig> Nothing that complex, \
[15:33] <Craig> #include <iostream>
[15:33] <Craig> int main()
[15:33] <Craig> {
[15:33] <Craig> std::cout << "Hello World!\n";
[15:33] <Craig> return 0;
[15:33] <Craig> }
[15:34] <@BC_Programming> I've always preferred the printf() functions myself
[15:34] <@BC_Programming> although C++ devotees hate it
[15:34] <Craig> This is only the second chapter...
[15:34] <Craig> hahah, I am nutral, whatever prints it out best, and the most efficiently.
[15:35] <@BC_Programming> yeah, but printf() isn't really "C++"ey, it's really a C thing
[15:35] <Craig> :P
[15:35] <Craig> The reason I want to learn C++ is cause its still cross compatable, and capable of doing lots still
[15:35] <@BC_Programming> also I hate overloaded operators... << is shift left, as far as I'm concerned, heh
[15:35] <Craig> I'm not sure what << does
[15:36] <@BC_Programming> shift bits left
[15:36] <Craig> ha
[15:36] <@BC_Programming> in this case, cout is a class
[15:36] <Craig> ah*
[15:36] <Craig> interesting
[15:36] <@BC_Programming> that overloads the operator to do something different
[15:36] <Craig> Well, I am going to get back at it,
[15:36] <@BC_Programming> ok good luck
[15:36] <Craig> thanks
[15:45] <Craig> Why would it give me this? C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|2|#include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME>|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp||In function `int main()':|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|5|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|6|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|7|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|8|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|9|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|9|error: `end1' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|10|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|11|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|11|error: `end1' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|12|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|13|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <@BC_Programming> end L
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|13|error: `end1' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|14|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|15|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|15|error: `end1' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|16|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|17|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|17|error: `end1' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|18|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|19|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|20|error: `cout' is not a member of `std'|
[15:45] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|22|error: expected `;' before '}' token|
[15:45] <Craig> ||=== Build finished: 23 errors, 0 warnings ===|
[15:45] <Craig> wow, oops
[15:45] <Craig> not 1?
[15:45] <@BC_Programming> no
[15:46] <@BC_Programming> it's an L, as in, endline
[15:46] <Craig> Oh ok
[15:46] <@BC_Programming> and the cout errors are because you messed up the #include in some way
[15:46] <Craig> So here is what I got now, C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp||In function `int main()':|
[15:46] <Craig> C:\Users\Craig\Desktop\C++\lesson2.2.cpp|22|error: expected `;' before '}' token|
[15:46] <Craig> ||=== Build finished: 1 errors, 0 warnings ===|
[15:46] <@BC_Programming> so it wasn't including iostream... therefore cout no longer exists
[15:46] <Craig> Yeah I needed the <>
[15:47] <@BC_Programming> your missing a semicolon somewhere
[15:47] <Craig> around iostream
[15:47] <Craig> ... return 0 now is return 0;
[15:47] <@BC_Programming> yeah angle brackets mean to search in the defined "include" directories, but quotes means to look in the same folder as the source file
[15:47] <Craig> ah
[15:47] <Craig> All fixed thanks for the info
[15:47] <@BC_Programming> cool
[15:48] <Craig> heh, must seem really primitive to you?
[15:48] <@BC_Programming> meh
[15:48] <Craig> :P
[15:48] <@BC_Programming> don't really use C/C++ myself
[15:48] <@BC_Programming> besides, you have to start somewhere
[15:48] <Craig> What is your language?
[15:48] <@BC_Programming> VB6 mostly
[15:48] <Craig> Why VB?
[15:48] <@BC_Programming> because that's where all my code is written
[15:48] <Craig> ah
[15:49] <@BC_Programming> it's a tad difficult to translate hundreds of class modules into another language easily
[15:49] <@BC_Programming> and I can't use VB.NET because it's a different language too
[15:49] <Craig> ah
[15:49] <@BC_Programming> well I can, and I do
[15:49] <@BC_Programming> but I mean, for my current projects
[15:50] <Craig> :)
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[15:55] <Craig> Just learned how to get rid of the std:: using the "using" command
[15:55] <Craig> or call, or declaration...
[15:56] <@BC_Programming> using namespace std
[15:56] <Craig> kinda,
[15:56] <Craig> { using std::cout;
[15:56] <Craig> then all I have to type is cout
[15:57] <@BC_Programming> using namespace std is better
[15:57] <@BC_Programming> heh
[15:57] <@BC_Programming> because then you can use cin without std:: as well!
[15:57] <Craig> what do you mean by namespace
[15:57] <Craig> what is cin?
[15:57] <@BC_Programming> "std" is a namespace
[15:57] <Craig> oh...
[15:57] <@BC_Programming> cout is in that particular namespace
[15:58] <@BC_Programming> or maybe you can just say using std
[15:58] <Craig> hahha,
[15:58] <Craig> currently I am just working by the book...
[16:00] <@BC_Programming> yep
[16:00] <@BC_Programming> I'm sure they'll get to getting input with cin eventually
[16:00] <Craig> :P
[16:29] <@BC_Programming> woah
[16:29] <@BC_Programming> http://whatpulse.org/stats/teams/17116/
[16:29] <@BC_Programming> I've got quite a margin there...
[16:30] <Craig> quite tre
[16:30] <Craig> true
[16:30] <Craig> *
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[21:17] <Craig> Hey BC
[21:18] <Craig> BC_Programming Guess what
[21:18] <@BC_Programming> what?
[21:18] <Craig> Guess how many lines there are in the whole Plone CSS setup...
[21:18] <@BC_Programming> lots
[21:18] <Craig> Guess
[21:18] <@BC_Programming> impossible... just say, heh
[21:19] <Craig> Hahaha, I am at 1997 and I am a third of the way down the page... if not a little less... and I have been hiding lines as I go...
[21:20] <@BC_Programming> BCSearch and BCFile are together around 54,000 lines
[21:20] <Craig> Yeah but this is just a CSS file... not an actual program...
[21:20] <@BC_Programming> oh
[21:20] <@BC_Programming> heh
[21:20] <@BC_Programming> yeah my XML menu config file is probably around... well it's only a page or two
[21:21] <Craig> 3696 lines, thats how many lines, which means there are about 400-500 actual CSS calls in the file...
[21:21] <@BC_Programming> CSS calls? you mean, CSS classes?
[21:22] <@BC_Programming> brb
[21:22] <Craig> Well, Classes, and the other two settings for individual items and sub items
[21:24] <@BC_Programming> oh ok
[21:25] <Craig> Course I think, from looking at it, I will only need to use about 50-80
[21:25] <Craig> Good thing about Firefox, it has tools that allow me to pull all CSS files into one... :)
[21:26] <@BC_Programming> cool
[21:26] <Craig> Yeah, it looked massive till I finished shrinking all the classes and such,
[21:26] <Craig> so now it looks like its only 900 lines, L:P
[21:26] <@BC_Programming> but does it still work?
[21:27] <Craig> No, I have removed a lot of the working areas, I am just using it as a reference to see all the available options that are called on
[21:27] <Craig> incase I need to change something specific,
[21:27] <@BC_Programming> oh ok
[21:27] <Craig> Yeah, "_
[21:27] <Craig> :)
[21:27] <Craig> There is even a class for abbreviations and Acronyms... :S
[21:28] <Craig> abbr, acronym, .explain
[21:28] <Craig> See! :S
[21:28] <@BC_Programming> those are HTML tags.
[21:28] <@BC_Programming> except .explain
[21:28] <Craig> Oh?
[21:28] <Craig> interesting
[21:28] <@BC_Programming> <abbr> is a html tag, and so is <acronym> I think
[21:28] <Craig> Well they are in the same area as the h1 and stuff so that makes sense
[21:28] <@BC_Programming> nobody uses them
[21:28] <@BC_Programming> well, not often anyway
[21:28] <Craig> hahah, Plone does kinda, only on some things
[21:29] <Craig> I could use it more but I dont know how to fill the explanation,
[21:33] <Craig> There now my CSS changes can all be made into PloneCustom.css
[21:33] <Craig> no more dual files.
[21:33] <@BC_Programming> wow sounds exciting, heh
[21:34] <Craig> hahaha
[21:35] <Craig> kinda, for me atleast, I dont like having to call many files,
[21:35] <Craig> I am all for one big file, sometimes...
[21:35] <@BC_Programming> wow
[21:35] <Craig> inless they have smart names
[21:35] <Craig> unless*
[21:35] <@BC_Programming> your not going to like C/C++ at all
[21:35] <Craig> Hahah, that is a different case
[21:35] <@BC_Programming> or really, any programm environment I suppose...
[21:35] <Craig> I like programming, I just dont like some of the names MS and other programmers give to their files...
[21:36] <@BC_Programming> like?
[21:36] <Craig> For example, Having to find ship files in a Tactics folder,
[21:36] <Craig> doesnt make sense to me...
[21:36] <Craig> From a game.,
[21:36] <@BC_Programming> which game?
[21:36] <Craig> Or those numbers for folders from windows updates
[21:37] <Craig> Nexus The Jupiter Incident
[21:37] <@BC_Programming> yeah programmers don't name the update folders
[21:37] <@BC_Programming> they get a unique GUID assigned to them
[21:37] <Craig> Yeah, I understand that, but its an expample.,
[21:37] <Craig> haha, example*
[21:37] <@BC_Programming> I thought you were referring to stuff like mscomctl32 and stuff
[21:37] <@BC_Programming> but there is a reason they have that name too, heh
[21:38] <Craig> hahah, those are good examples of files I just dont need to play with yet
[21:38] <@BC_Programming> oh wait, it's comctl32.dll
[21:39] <Craig> Well its obviously a 32bit file,
[21:39] <@BC_Programming> kernel32.dll, gdi32.dll, user32.dll
[21:39] <Craig> all on a 64bit system I take it.
[21:39] <@BC_Programming> the 64-bit version is called comctl32.dll too
[21:39] <Craig> Oh?
[21:39] <Craig> strange
[21:39] <@BC_Programming> for compatibility
[21:39] <@BC_Programming> also even win95 has kernel32 and friends
[21:39] <Craig> Yeah, I know about a few of those files,
[21:39] <@BC_Programming> windows 3.1 had them, without the "32" on em
[21:40] <Craig> interesting
[21:40] <Craig> wonder why they used 32?
[21:40] <@BC_Programming> 32-bit
[21:40] <Craig> Thats what I said, but windows 3.1 was 16bit?
[21:40] <@BC_Programming> windows 3.1 was 16-bit... windows 95 was the first largely 32-bit consumer OS
[21:41] <@BC_Programming> I said, without the 32 on them for win31
[21:41] <@BC_Programming> so kernel, user, gdi, etc
[21:41] <Craig> Oh I see
[21:41] <Craig> sorry bout that
[21:41] <@BC_Programming> heh
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